Heyas! Just finishin' up stuffs.

Didn't even realize it was 1am, too

yah i just got home from watering the drunks

what a long fucking day

Sounds excitingly...exciting.

not so much after back to back doubleshifts

and when the chick says ok u can leave, and i say COOL! and make ready my escape >> in walks a group of 20

I feel you should be, like, crashing in bed right meow.

possibly

but i can never go straight to bed i hafta like.. wind down i guess

even tho i gotta open the bar in the mornin

I feel ya. I have enough difficulty winding down with all the recent funsies.

so idk why but i always thought u was some foreigner bbarely speaky englis

O.o

hahahaha

it's a long, long, long story

ah

ok then

Suffice it to say US born and bred.

so yeah i did message saki on skype and talk with her

o.O She responded?

and by talk with her i mean i messaged, she responded, and then i replied...

and then nada

i was justgiving her time for a few days but i been workin so havent really stalked her properly

I don't think it's worth it, tbh

most likely not

i mean i am willing to pick it up and keep it running, and elena feels like it would be a simpler solution for them

but i dont see it being profitable so it was more of a community thing

like i asked her if it would generate enough to maintain server costs

It hasn't been profitable to anyone except Saki the last 6 years

UV at least was nice enough for me to move the server "inhouse"

it died the moment rlc created their own clothing system

Yeah, i know

sorry i aided in that destruction

mwahaha

Many people did, but it's old hat now

so they moved the server inhouse? the hell does that even mean?

just transferring textures?

I spent the last week moving UVDeviant from where it's been hosted the last 5 years to Utherverse.

So, like...a server transfer.

All textures, everything

even the website

so like, is it all transferred over?

Like...website

ya so like... everything is hosted on UVs servers now?

yeah, which takes me away from my $150/month obligation

well thats quite fucking fantastic

haha

elena was saying it was not going well last week or some such

which is true

She contacted Saki, Saki tried to sell for a ton of cash, then she went silent.

Saki, not Elena

Elena and I have been in contact all week

ya 10k

loool

i was offering her 2k max for it

The problem is...she would be selling the "brand"

but i didnt even get to a money discussion cuz she never responded to my questions about hosting and such

Server/software is all me.

Hence why UV wanted me and not her

right thats what i gathered

the brand does me fuck all good without the site infrastructure

but meh, i don't like seeing this child die out.

i look like a programmer?

lol

so what u gonna do with it now?

Well, now i'm just waiting

Not sure what UV wants to do

but there is nobody else to help develop

All the logos for the 5-year graphics I hired and payed $500 for...

The only minor issue is an account to "restart" commerce

Since Saki owned the UVD account, once the bug was exploited she had that changed and never provided me the credentials

That technically locked things out, so (unless Jalyn has an issue) i've gotta figure a new account for people to deposit and to send messages from, send rays from etc, etc

like, a UVD 2.0

so whats saki gonna do? because this was a joint effort

She's in love, she got her entry to the US, she's been gone in more than one way...

She blocked me from everything, so I can't communicate with her.

hmmmmmm

well that sounds a bit complicated and messy

aaaaaaaaaand then there is the issue of my World Justice petition...

which is????

Pending decision of my unbanning

I've got a temporary reprieve to move data and test in UV's datacenter.

lol funny how that works hey

yeah, never change someones password... really bad move.

so its under review?

Yeah. It is.

uvdeviant was not a joint business account?

Nonononono

UVDeviant was owned by Saki

damn

When the rays where ganked, I changed the password and synced the site to keep things going

Then Saki contacted WO to "get the account password changed", and they banned me for it

which is a bannable offense.

Changing someone elses password.

At least that's the only reason I have so far from peoples' speculation

They didn't really provide the reasoning

#drama

but still, I like keeping UVD going

StyleCentral is a 'shared business account', with Todd as my secondary

He could change the password and not get banned, but i could also change it back and lock him out of everything at anytime

lol

This was all 5+ years ago

ofc that would never happen

all the agreements and such

ya

but havent u been getting paid for anything the past few yrs?

No. Saki owns the account.

wow

She's also from a country that isn't really that....hmm...rich?

right

so how do u keep uvd going, is it even possible without her consent?

Interesting Fact. It is possible.

I own all the computery stuff

computery stuff lol

All she did was the art, graphics, concept, design, promo.... She was the face.

I was the guy that figured out everything else. The man that did the magic.

All the transactions, displays, storage, demand, configuration, coding, etc.

So, when it came to her "deciding" to close UVD, that's all fair and good cause she own the account, which is the main transactional piece

but I can just as well take any VIP account and tie it into UVD and make things work again.

And i've already done 80% of it...

just need the damn account, and the investment (or the decision to zero out everyones account)

zero out?

Think of UVD as a bank

yeah

Everyone deposits, so all those deposits I have to keep track of

In the UVD Utherverse account there is 1 sum

right

Right now, with a new VIP account the balance is 0, but according to UVD's "books" there needs to be 127k-ish rays accounted for

ahh and you dont have access to the peoples funds

or, at least enough for the "current" users to withdraw from

I don't have access to the UVD Utherverse account

right

Saki took that away the day the decision was made, almost 40 days ago

idk but in my opinion, a decision to close uvd should have included auto deposits of funds back into the users accounts

but ofc if she wasnt speaking to you then you couldnt set that up

Couldn't do that

Saki took over the credentials

So I couldn't automatically "do anything"

She had to manually perform all the withdraws

so wwhat does UV say about that?

It's her account. She can do as she pleases.

And they don't dispute ray transactions.

ooo bold

i didn't know that in skype

hahaha

yeah

well that makes it extremely difficult to move forward under the UVD name with the uvd website and not the users' uvd funds

I c*o*u*l*d g*e*t p*r*e*t*t*y w*i*t*h *t*h*i*s

right

lmao

oh ur retarded too

thats awesome

Well, semi-retarded.

close enough

all my friends are tarded, thats cool

I do have preliminary investment numbers on the amount of rays that would be needed, and i would need a months salary to put that much in (assuming not paying bills)

I've already informed Utherverse that I'm not even prepared for that right now...

but the total exceeds 82,999 rays O.O

just need it to be /operational/

There are 47k accounts, all with rays

Many people have abandoned UV altogether

so their record of rays just sits there

except my account, which had 0000000000

The estimation is based on the last 6-ish months of active users

so any time estimate on the world ops review of the banning shit?

World ops already made the judgement

I'm appealin' to World Justice

Unsure of their timeframe

But regardless of if I have an account or not, that doesn't stop me from doing shit with UVD still

It's more or less a formality

really?

...ya

I never really needed an account

It was all handled by someone else, all this time.

well you were never in a position to need it before, but now

now ya sorta are

It's not like I'd go to the forums and be like "Hey y'all! Great news!"

but if u planning on keeping the commerce side of it running...

then yeah i would assume you would need to not be banned

Or someone else would .... do the commerce part.

thats a possibility

That's how it's been for years

rue, except now you have an incommunicado saki

Well, I don't blame her. She's gotta keep a low profile.

so how much 'active funds' does it need?

about 20k to cover withdraws from all users that have logged in the last 6 months

but right now deposits are through an approval process, so I could probably buy in 5k buckets per paycheck

errr, not deposits

withdraws

withdraws yeah

gimme a sec to formulate my mush brain

so basically i was attempting to take over uvd from sake, keep it going for the community

Yup

i didnt really see any profit coming off it, i dont know how many users even buy and sell on uvd anymore but my guess is a very low number atthis point

That's what I read

The only profit that was being derived was through subscriptions, which was ~$300/month

When I started the November advertisement campaign subscriptions increased

When I coded in the Utherverse login and profile swapping, subscriptions increased again

When I spent cash to update the sites visuals, things got better

The more love I gave it, the more people responded

Saki just wanted to let it DIAF

...that's my opinion

sometimes it be like that

I just think she couldn't think of anything else /to do/ after 3 years

lol

I dunno. I'm cool w/ working on UVD still. I'm just more focused on my Crowdfunding Venture atm

right well she had a purpose for uvd and when that purpose became uneccessary, i think she lost motivation

whats your crowdfunding venture?

Still being built

but waaaaaaat issssss ittttt?

(sigh)

dont make me curious and then go all silent

fucker

It's exactly what it is

Basically, Crowdfunding for RLC and RLC2.0

People list projects, Ask for whatev in rays, I scrape from the donations, sit and make profit.

autotransfer peoples stuff every night, donations are a breeze

piece of cake

Again, still being built.

what sort of projects?

You ever do crowdfunding?

or seen it?

not really

Mk

so, people ask for money to do things...

typical human thing

right

So, like "Help pay rent on my club to keep it alive another month"

or "Benefit for BYOOG_BONER's avatar sex change"

or "Donate so we can expand our population"

Or something for Real Life

like "Rays for Rollerblades for legless dogs"

...i dunno

ya thats necessary

That's a crowdfunding site

Tjat

aha

that's another

a third

so what youre saying is not that you have a crowdfunding campaign for something

All cash based, none UV based

right

no, mister programmer wants to built his OWN crowdfunding site

that i'm building a site strictly for Utherverse to help people crowdfund

all in rays virtual currency

heh

Yeah

interesting idea

We're in that age where we just gotta have something to do

a very good idea IMO

Yeah, i know

people dont view rays as real money

Too bad all my artists charge thousands for logos and shit

which makes it easier to get em to part with em

^ exactly

the profit comes from the %, which I'm thinking 7.5-10%

so, a 750 ray crowdfund nets me 60-75 rays

why u dont get someone on fiver to make u logos

lol

lol

all for overhead

go big and go to tenerr

lol

omg hahaha

It's keeping the same person

true

Cause one person has the /style/

If you end up mixing two people together, all you get is drama and color mismatch

been there, done it

More than logos. Page colors, themes, overall feel and functionality

I've got most of the back-end programming done

Just need someone with an eyeball while I use my fingers

.....that's sorta creepy to read that at 2am

i was just thinking the same thing

So, UVD...I think my next /waiting/ step is both World Justice and whatever Elena/Aaron/Jalyn says

and if they end up charging to /use/ their servers, then it's pretty much....hmm....making things complicated

well

was there no definitive plan in place when u moved it all over?

from their perspective?

They wanted to preserve things. I was prepared for the server to be reclaimed.

It was the middle ground.

Copy everything over so users didn't get pissed their shit was gone

...and UV didn't do anything about it

so...it was a ...

the hell

PR move

man, gettin' late

yah but from their standpoint, what are they doing? just hosting the textures so users dont lose shit, or are they prepared to let u carry on?

well, the site is up

and i turned off subscriptions

so, unless they have someone pretty damn smart to undo that, it's pretty much carrying on

So, the next move is on them.

With the proper resources I can move the server /back out/ again

I'm sure it'd get 'em a bit upset and all

It's just software. Took me all of 17 hours to move everything from San Francisco to Vancouver

How far did you get with Elena on "taking UVD over"?

Did she offer you any terms?

sorry, give me a minute, my neighbor knocked on my door asking about this homeless dog howling on my porch cuz i wont let it in my house

hahaha

D'aww

damn homeless dogs

haha

elena gave me no terms, my plan was pretty much to leave everything where it was and transfer ownership of the servers and take over the costs

makes sense

which would have meant utherverse really didnt have to do anything except make sure the API functioned as normal

which API access was just restored 2 days ago

i assume the terms would have stayed the same as for saki, as transferring the uvdeviant utherverse account would have been part of the deal

I've been informed the account can'e be transferred.

cant

hah

right

that doesnt even make sense in logical perspective

of course it CAN be

justthat they dont allow it

right

but as its not like a basic user sexfun wtf ever acccount

you would think it would be different

the account could be closed and the username could be recycled

thats a possibility

I don't think they would close and recycle it

but doesnt fix the financial issue

they wouldnt unless saki allowed them to close it

they couldnt legally

they couldnt transfer it either without her permission even if they would

...the only problem is, what really is "legal"

tbh its quite a messy situation from where im standing

Yup

lol yeah

youre sorta in limbo at the moment tho

Only for UVD

yep

so in ur email u said you could use a bit of help?

what with specifically?

Well, your initial message stated that you'd be interested in taking things over and that you had a core team.

Back in the 'ol days it was somewhat like that, with the Squtters helping out with support and everyone pitching in ideas on how to take care of things.

Over the course of the years things just.....died out.

Recently, I started putting love back into things and things responded.

Saki did the last thing I'd expect to kill things off, and I just couldn't stand for it.

I've been trying to plan for Curio

while still keeping RLC1 in mind

and migrate the site towards that... i.e. props and properties (which so far aren't resold in curio right now)

The problem is I have nothing to offer when asking for help.

do you see uvd making the transition to curio?

like not in its current mode for sure, it wont survive as a 3rd party clothing texture thingy

I haven't been in curio, have no clue.

I do know that UV doesn't have a way to buy/sell props

but props and properties, possibly

err..prop textures

Just needs to be marketed correctly

i think they have that sorted in curio with the prop marketplace and stuff

but i havent really seen anything in depth

yeah, neither I

i been working too much in rl

Same. I've wanted to relese the crowdfunding thing 1 April but ... you know... UVD

well my core team is myself, todd, and melissa

and i also have the mall staff who are good minions when i need em to be

mmmmmmmmmmmmmminions!

minions are awesome

my brain is mush right now but let me get with todd this weekend and see what direction he is wanting to go in

and maybe chat a little with elena

ya, same mush here

haha

ok so im gone all day tomorrow but ill be home sunday so ill prolly hit you up then

that's cool, i'm avail almost 24/7

awesome

talk to u later

Rebranding

That's what I'm hearing from Utherverse

nice

sorry ive been dead ass tired

but i heard u talked with todd

Yup, now with handfuls of chicken wings

LOL!

u like Uther3D.com?

hope so cuz im about to register it

elena loves it

lol

Methinks its....hmm..interesting

The 3D aspect is bothersome

slowpoke

its is 3d tho

Unsure how, but I'll need end pointed accordingly if it's registered.

Ugh... DNS

haha

im pretty nifty with dns no worries

Beer and sticky fingers...

we will get it all pointed correctly when its time

todd is all excited about having a new 'project'

i wasnt really sure i wanted to get involved since it seemed so messy

but since utherverse is on board with it, i guess it will work out okay

We will see.

I got a couple subdomains that you'll need to cname accordingly, I'll find the list when I get home.

no problem

Now that I think about it, with the rebranding and such the subdomains mean shit. I'll just redirect *.uvdeviant.com to whatevs. just uther3d.com and www.uther3d.com to 199.122.7.168

Around 6:30am i'll setup the server to those addresses and get it turned on. Then we can begin rebranding. I still have to keep prop.uvdeviant.com alive, tho, so with that said, prop.uther3d.com will need to be stuck as well, too

Also, Todd was like "btw, she needs to has group chat so we all talk across each other and be cool n shit"

so, ya, whenevs

ya i hadnt even told him i had a longass conversation with you

until after he said he talked to u on the phone

i was like oh btw....

LOL

phone/skype same diff

ya that

But I do have to crash. I'll do what I can to prep the site to accept uther3d in a couple hours after DNS has propogated

just need www. and prop. atm

omfg

skype and fk'n bold...

oh, and if you can TTLs @ 30 mins

cause now it's at 1hr

ya hmm im not that dns smarty i guess

what am i doing?

LOLOLOLOL

i got lost on facebook

hope u know what youre gettin yourself into workin with me

well

welll

I dunno what namesilo or dnsowl uses for their GUI

i will need your help with some lotsa shit

I do know that they have 3 A records

and all 3 need to go and be pointed to 1

ya i can change the ttls and set up the records

lemme log in and eyeballie it

and then 2 additional CNAMEs need to be setup

aight

cool beaners

once those records are pointed correctly it's all on me

at least, for interwebs

i guess we will add todd to this chat

meh, create a separate one

kay

or

hmm

w/e

lol

ur so decisive

I had 7 beer with my 25 wings

way to go mister man

so i'm REAL decisive

haha

where u go?

So it doesn't get lost in the chat backlog, I need a DNS entry for new.uther3d.com so we can have development show up somewhere.

It's going to point to the same IP that www.uther3d.com is

k it should be set now

TY SO MUCH

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY

(runs)

tanx

Quick question. Who got the uther3d.com domain?

as in, who purchased it and put the privacy protection on it?

um

i think i did but maybe todd did

but everything is in my name

Happy Belated B-Day!

I have a favor to ask of you when you have...say...20-30 minutes of "alive" time

thankiesss

im home all day sun and mon

Sorry! I've been busy (along the lines of getting married and having a honeymoon)....

BOOM -> paypal.matthew@heick.email

woot woot!

kk my cashout rate after fees is .0672

not the rate i cashout users, thats 0.05

I'm not countin' pennies

but .07 after the trader fees comes out to .0672 so thats the baseline

just wanted to let u know lol

10-4

o7

its $940 but i think todd wants me to send you $1000 so ill doublecheck

wednesday and friday are deposit days for uv so the next one is wed

D'awww

ok

I'll not hold my breath

u need it sooner?

i can send sooner if u need, lemme check the paypal balance

nono, just send when you can

i'm not dying for money

ok good

dont hold ur breath u will die in a few mins and i sure cant operate that fast

lol

but if u die can i have all your toys?

Half of 'em

the rest i'll have buried with me

awwww ok fine

hey matt

i still want half your toys

check your paypal i did a $1 transfer just to verify before i send a buncha money

my wednesday payout became friday payout

gotta love the uv gods

I did get it

$1 solid

At least, I've confirmed reception of the email that I got $1

lmfao

i rounded up to 950

there ya go pay a bill lol

yays

I'll pay a bill or two

me too hehe

Do you do a legit rays->paypal service inworld, btw?

Yea but our rate for cashouts is .05

Do you advert it in any way? I did a quick search and all and I don't see much info on /anyone else/ that does it. Maybe my searching is dumb or words not working when doing search...